Wednesday, May 30, 2007

Lina Joy - Federal Court's Judgement

A case of 2-1. 2 judges dismissed Lina Joy's appeal i.e. Chief Justice Tun Ahmad Fairuz Sheikh Abdul Halim and Justice Alauddin Mohd Sheriff. Only Justice Richard Malanjum agreed to Lina's appeal. I got my guess correct.

(screenshot from Malaysian Bar)

Chief Justice Tun Ahmad Fairuz's judgement - "You can't at whim and fancy convert from one religion to another. The civil court had no jurisdiction in the case and that it should be dealt with by the country's Islamic courts. The issue of apostasy is related to Islamic law, so it's under the sharia court. The civil court cannot intervene."

While the judgement was being delivered inside the Federal Court, about 200 mostly young Muslims welcomed the ruling outside the domed courthouse with shouts of "Allah-o-Akbar" (God is great). A gathering just for this judgement? What's the purpose of this group over there? What if the judgement was otherwise?

Reading: Malaysia's Lina Joy loses Islam conversion case - Boston.com (really fast being captured by foreign news, must be an interesting case for the world to note)

Reading: Lina Joy: she still can’t choose her religion. Gila benar!! - IndCoup

Reading: Lina Joy loses appeal - The Star

Reading: Lina Joy – ‘Save’ one, lose a million - Malaysia Today

Tags: Federal Court, Malaysia, Chief Justice, Justice, Tun Ahmad Fairuz Sheikh Abdul Halim, Alauddin Mohd Sheriff, Richard Malanjum, Lina Joy, Religious, Religion, Muslim, Islam, Christian, Apostacy, Christian Convert

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12 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The decision was made.

Pls tell Lina Joy to emulate the converted to Christian Afghani man who migrated to Europe and close this case for good of everyone in Malysia.

30 May, 2007 17:04  
Blogger Johnny Ong said...

if that's the decision of the highest court in malaysia, then everyone has to accept it. as for lina, she will have to live with it the hard way.

migrate could be her solution now in order for her to continue her relationship with her bf.

but i hope that this judgement will not affect those cases that involved the separation of children from parents in which case the whole family wants to be together

30 May, 2007 17:13  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Johnny,

It is this type of thinking among the Christians that has affected the case of Lina Joy. Imagine if it is your girlfriend who is in Lina Joy's shoe?

30 May, 2007 17:55  
Blogger Johnny Ong said...

this type of thinking? which particular words were u referring to?

this type of case is new to all m'sians - no one cld have a proper thinking over it. lina's family/frens wld hav been praying for her for sure and wld they known the outcome? we cross the bridge when we need to, it's not the end of life anyway. much more to look forward to in life. as it all depends on individual's purpose of life.

if lina was my gf, i wld be devastated as well. atm, there's nothing u cld do to change the country's highest court decision, only to appeal at the same court and pray for a miracle change on the verdict.

30 May, 2007 18:19  
Blogger confessing7girl said...

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30 May, 2007 18:37  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Saying that "everyone has to accept it." is not the same as "atm, there's nothing u cld do to change the country's highest court decision, only to appeal at the same court and pray for a miracle change on the verdict". I think we Christians are being too passive and apathetic. In addtion, you said, "as for lina, she will have to live with it the hard way." Is that all you can say to a poor fellow Christian of your community??

30 May, 2007 19:08  
Blogger jacksons said...

This case is may have been final, but the issue is far from settled in Malaysia! We Malaysians have a right to basic human rights - being able to choose your religion, and leave the one you were born into. Christian, Buddhist, Muslim, all people of this great nation should have the freedom to choose for themselves when they come of age, what they believe.

31 May, 2007 00:23  
Blogger The Hedonese said...

"I wonder what I would do if one of my sons were to reject Christianity and embrace Islam. I would try my best to show him the veracity of the Christian faith. I would fast and pray. And if in the end he decides that Islam is the true faith, I would have to respect his choice. It would break my heart but I would have to respect his choice. Why? Because I believe that God gives each of us the freedom to choose whether we will follow Him or not.

This freedom is inherent in the Creation account where Adam and Eve are not preprogrammed robots. They could choose whether they would refrain from eating the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good or evil. Or not. This freedom to choose is a given when Jesus comes calling people to follow him. Some chose to follow him. Some chose not too.

This freedom to choose one's faith is defended in the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights, 1948, Article 18, which reads:



"Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance. "

As K J John writes in a recent column, "If there is no freedom of conscience, I am not sure what it means to be a human being. "

http://graceatwork.org/view.php3?Id=327

31 May, 2007 00:36  
Blogger Johnny Ong said...

wld like to quote my fren's (Steven Sim) thots:-

"I agree with protest, and we must when necessary, but as Jim Wallis said: Protest is Good, but Alternatives are Better.

Protest must not merely be a display of our grudges & our sufferings. there is no need to vie to be martyrs, everyone will incline to do so, frm both sides. it is God who judges & vindicate martyrs, not men,not the courts, not governments. but those who imagine themselves to be martyrs, we'd better make sure we are, because when God vindicated the
true martyr & we are found wanting, we'll be in deep ****.

....with commitments to stay sane above the situation,to refuse to be manipulated by ulterior agendas in dealing with religions,to continue whether independently or together to find alternatives to extremes measures. & to pray over this."

31 May, 2007 01:25  
Blogger IndCoup said...

hi there and thanks for the link...

...incidentally, what is the punishment in Malaysia for apostasy at a sharia court?

31 May, 2007 13:40  
Blogger Johnny Ong said...

cant recall if there were any apostacy court case previously which could provide an answer for u but a person could be jailed/ sent to islamic rehabilitation centre for apostacy in malaysia (shallow knowledge on this)

31 May, 2007 14:18  
Anonymous wennew said...

I read this comment in another blog. Sounds probable. Sadly, it reflects the failure of Malaysia's multicultural-multi religious context...

"Mr Smith wrote:
The Federal Court's decision today was a forgone conclusion.
Can you imagine what would have happened had Lina Joy won the appeal and allowed to leave Islam?
The judges could have been murdered and the court building burnt down.
The entire Muslim community ( I mean the fanatics) could have run amok while killing some innocent people along the way.
I believe the 2-1 decision was a set up to appease the majority and annoy the minority.
Whatever the decision Lina is Christian at heart and no body can take that away from her. Even in death, they might snatch away her body but who can snatch away her spirit?
30/05 20:00:31"

31 May, 2007 16:28  

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